Posts by Billy the Ex-Bethelite

i know this is one huge rant, but i want to put my own questions and doubts in writing.. i am a fading jw who has become agnostic... i still believe in "god" and "jesus," but i simply cannot explain to people why i believe in them.

i just do.. about the existence of god: it is an infinite regress.

"all things were created by someone"... well... who created god?

Billy the Ex-Bethelite

Here's the Wikipedia entry for thylacine: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tasmanian_wolf

Unfortunately, they were hunted to extinction. They are an example of convergent evolution. Although they were also called Tasmanian Wolf or Tasmanian Tiger, they are not closely related to either the dog family or the cat family. They were marsupials, a weird and wonderful family of animals that Noah evidently made a special trip to Australia to deliver.

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No more doubts for me! Good-bye JWN! We have THE TRUTH!

by DATA-DOG in

i could go on and on about my personal journey over the last 2 years or so, but i don't need to.

everything i needed to hear to finally lay my doubts to rest happened on one meeting night.

it could only be divine providence.

Billy the Ex-Bethelite

I suppose if MEPS is a big deal, they should all convert to the Church of Google Translate!

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Questions on Evolution and the Existence of God and...

by ILoveTTATT in

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friends

i know this is one huge rant, but i want to put my own questions and doubts in writing.. i am a fading jw who has become agnostic... i still believe in "god" and "jesus," but i simply cannot explain to people why i believe in them.

i just do.. about the existence of god: it is an infinite regress.

"all things were created by someone"... well... who created god?

Billy the Ex-Bethelite

"The experimant in actuality better supports the biblical view that animals were created according to definite "kinds"."

Would the thylacine have been a dog 'kind' or a marsupial 'kind'?

Would the platypus be a duck 'kind' or an otter 'kind'?

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Questions on Evolution and the Existence of God and...

by ILoveTTATT in

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friends

i know this is one huge rant, but i want to put my own questions and doubts in writing.. i am a fading jw who has become agnostic... i still believe in "god" and "jesus," but i simply cannot explain to people why i believe in them.

i just do.. about the existence of god: it is an infinite regress.

"all things were created by someone"... well... who created god?

Billy the Ex-Bethelite

"My belief isn't secure from attack as you assert."

No, you just ignore the mountains of evidence that prove that the Bible's story of the Noachian deluge is complete fiction.

"Scientists aim for their studies' findings to be replicable — so that, for example, an experiment testing ideas about the attraction between electrons and protons should yield the same results when repeated in different labs. This goal of replicability makes sense. After all, science aims to reconstruct the unchanging rules by which the universe operates, and those same rules apply, 24 hours a day, seven days a week, from Sweden to Saturn, regardless of who is studying them. If a finding can't be replicated, it suggests that our current understanding of the study system or our methods of testing are insufficient. ... The desire for replicability is part of the reason that scientific papers almost always include a methods section."

Excellent! Then all those Bible thumpers should be able to replicate the global flood scenario as reported in the Bible. Rather than using reconstructed arks as money-making amusement attractions. It should be easy to gather two of every "kind" of animal, float in one of their reconstructed arks (a real wooden one like Noah had, not one built atop a steel barge) for a year or so, land on a deserted island and repopulate it with something on the order of the millions of species we see today. Or do you think that your Bible stories don't require the same standard of scientific proof?

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No more doubts for me! Good-bye JWN! We have THE TRUTH!

by DATA-DOG in

i could go on and on about my personal journey over the last 2 years or so, but i don't need to.

everything i needed to hear to finally lay my doubts to rest happened on one meeting night.

it could only be divine providence.

Billy the Ex-Bethelite

I remember back in the old days before MEPS. We were sure we had the truth because WT had cornered the marked on Trim Line. Of course, there weren't any JWs that would be able to engineer automobiles in the "new world", but it was going to be a paradise fully pinstriped!

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Questions on Evolution and the Existence of God and...

by ILoveTTATT in

jw
friends

i know this is one huge rant, but i want to put my own questions and doubts in writing.. i am a fading jw who has become agnostic... i still believe in "god" and "jesus," but i simply cannot explain to people why i believe in them.

i just do.. about the existence of god: it is an infinite regress.

"all things were created by someone"... well... who created god?

Billy the Ex-Bethelite

"Correct me if wrong, but E.Coli now being able to consume citrate would qualify as a different "species" of E.Coli."

Let me handle that for Perry...

Nonsense! It's still the E.Coli 'kind', so it's not evolution! It's still the same 'kind' as God originally created it 6000 years ago and that was taken aboard the ark 4000 years ago.

And there's one HIV 'kind' that God originally created and that was aboard the ark.

Get over it!

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Jehovah does NOT cause bad things to happen

by DS211 in

ok third rant since last night.

a "demonstration" was given on how to give some brochures and in this demo it starts:.

"hi im suchandsuch and im one of jehovahs witnesses".

Billy the Ex-Bethelite

Island Man's comment has me wondering how this conversation would work...

JW: "oh well if you dont mind may i ask: if you did believe in God what kind of attributes would you expect him to have?"

exJW: "Well let's see, what kind of attributes do I expect of God? Well, he would punish children for the sins of their parents. And he should probably provide a valuable guidebook explaining how slaves can be abused by their masters and women should be treated as property, like cattle. And God should claim to be wise, powerful, and loving, but do absolutely nothing to rescue the children of the world from diseases like cancer, or crushing poverty. I'd expect God to demand all the credit for anything good that happens, and have a lame excuse that how he has no blame for anything bad that happens. Oh, and I expect that God would keep demanding time, money, and unquestioning obedience to all be given to some group of imperfect men that claim to be his ONLY spokesmen, who continually promise that God will reward them very, very soon... but he never does. Do you worship a God like that?"

JW: "oh, so you have heard of Jehovah and his Witnesses?"